Saturday, 7 April 2012

The 4 cups

Last night, I went to my first real-live seder (which is the meal shared on the first two nights of Passover). When we were younger, my family sort of did seder-lite - we had kids' Haggadahs that we used to use for the seder. I think my dad sold it a little short when we talked about it recently - it seems to me that we pretty much hit all the high points of a seder.

In any case, what I experienced last night was still very, very different. And it leads nicely into the first mitzvah that I'd like to look at.


Type of Commandment: Times and Seasons - it's # 125 on the list

Commandment: "To discuss the departure from Egypt on the first night of Passover"

Where does it come from: Exodus 13:8 - in my study bible, the verse reads: "On that day tell your son, 'I do this because of what the Lord did for me when I came out of Egypt'" - so the reference is not exactly as it's written in the list - although that could be because I'm using a Christian bible? Or maybe this particular mitzvah comes from a Talmudic discussion of the verse? Anyways.....

How might you follow this?: This question is pretty easy, I think. Er, probably as straightforward as it gets... You get a Haggadah and some friends and a LOT of wine and some great food and you talk through the story in the Haggadah!

Why might this have been commanded in the first place?: I think there are a few answers to this question:

  • I think part of it is right in the verse. You do it because of what God did for me when I came out of Egypt. Something I learned (mostly last night, but I think I've come across it elsewhere too) is that you discuss the exodus in experiential terms. Like YOU were a slave in Egypt and God brought YOU out of slavery and now YOU are free. Everyone at the seder is supposed to be like a king - you don't pour your own wine, you lean when you drink the wine and eat the matzah and you rest on a pillow on your chair. 
  • I think there might also be some part of it to remember how God "dealt harshly with the Egyptians and how [He] performed [His] signs among them" (there was a reference to Exodus 10:2 in my bible's study notes, where that comes from). I'd say it's fair that part of the seder is to appreciate the things that God did for our ancestors in Egypt to take us out of slavery. Another cool thing about that, though, is that while the seder means for us to appreciate what was done for us, it also acknowledges that innocent Egyptians were harmed by the plagues that were sent to take the Jews out of slavery. 
  • The notes actually point me to one more place: in Psalm 78:5-6, it says "He decreed statutes for Jacob and established the law in Israel, which he commanded our forefathers to teach their children, so the next generation would know them, even the children yet to be born, and they in turn would tell their children", which I think points to a pretty common theme in Jewish thought (at least modern Jewish thought, in my estimation). It's talking about Jewish continuity. I sure as heck am not going to touch that one with a ten foot pole right now because it's way too complex. But I think that's in there too. 

What are some benefits to following this today?: Well, firstly, it is a way cool night to experience. I really enjoyed discussing the exodus and I learned so, so much. My kind hosts knew so much (he happens to be a Masters student in religious studies) and shared so much knowledge with the rest of us. I almost wish I could replay the night so I could remember all the stuff they shared with me. I'm really grateful for all the way cool stuff I learned. Another benefit is that any night when you are religiously required to drink (chug, actually) four full cups of wine (as in "my cup overfloweth" - literally), is bound to turn into a super fun evening, no?

What are some drawbacks to following this today?: I would say that the only drawback that I can think of right now is that it is a pretty big practical undertaking. Once you cook a meal while being conscious of kosher for passover rules (if you choose to - no leavened bread products, which is even tough to find in Calgary). And then the seder itself is a pretty long process. All that said, I think (and this comes from a guest, not a host of the seder so I can't speak to the work that it takes) it's totally worth it. I, at least, had a great time.

All said, I don't see a problem with this particular commandment. People celebrate Christmas without thinking twice - and people seem to generally be OK with pulling that away (to various extents) from the original religious significance. Same with Easter - a chocolate egg hunt has little to nothing (I would suggest) to do with what Easter is really meant to be. In the end, there's nothing wrong with celebrating holidays. Maybe the best thing to do with a Passover Seder is to invite all people to celebrate the holiday and have a great time.

Actually, next weekend a friend from my Birthright trip is hosting a seder - there are going to be three of us from our trip and then a bunch of her non-Jewish friends. I think these kinds of things are probably the way to go. Everyone can celebrate freedom at Passover, and I think all types of people should do so. After all, it's a darn good time! Next time, smaller wine glasses though.

Thanks again to my amazing hosts and the other awesome people I shared the evening with. It was such a great time and I really appreciate it!

11 comments:

  1. This was really informative! It's interesting to see you aren't going numerically through the mitzvot. Is there a particular process you are using to decide the order you explore them in?

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  2. Oh thank you!

    That's a super good question - one I'm not even sure I can answer. I'm not really sure what order to go through them in yet (it would have been a good thing to decide ahead of time probably). I decided to do this one first because it's appropriate for the time of year. From here on in though, I may do them numerically or maybe just pick and choose the ones that make sense in terms of what I'm reading or thinking. I guess I'm still kind of trying to decide.

    Certainly, if anyone has any requests or suggestions I'd be very happy to oblige.

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  3. Very informative and enjoyable! One of the biggest advantages to these types of meal that transcends across all religions is the connection to family. As everyone gathers and shares a meal it helps reinforce families and family values.

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    1. I definitely agree with this! I went to another seder that was a lot less traditional (this is the wrong word, but I can't think of the right one). I guess what I'm getting at is that it was just more modern. We just all got together and ate a most delicious meal and had a LOT of fun! Most of the people there weren't Jewish, so it was cool to be there for such different reasons than the other seder I went to this year.

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  4. Really interesting Lauren! I've gone to a seder as long as I can remember (and I've seen pictures of even earlier!) and I love that we have our own family traditions. My Mom has taken over the meal now that it is too much for my Grandma but we still have most of the same foods, we still have a competition of An Only Kid, and our door is always open to anyone who needs a place to go who can't get home or whatever. That said, I have to say I personally find the holiday a little repetitive. It's the same story over and over again and while so are the Hanukkah candles, etc, I think it has something to do with sitting at a table, reading a story I could tell without the words in front of me. That said, I do agree and feel it is a story worth remembering and if we did not repeat it each year, we could forget it.

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    1. Thanks for the comment! I'm glad to hear a bit of your experience, having been to a seder since you were little! I'm sure you've thought of this, but while it may be quite repetitive, I also have to say I think it's pretty darn cool that you cuold tell the story without the words in front of you. I'd say that's really something special! I think another cool thing in my estimation is that we can make seders what we want them to be - so even though it's your mom's seder right now, maybe in the future you will be able to add your own little twists too. But thanks again for your comment - looking forward to hearing more from ya! And good job for winning the An Only Kid contest this year!

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  5. Hey, thanks so much for your kind words! I didn't know you were blogging about the seder, and we're flattered. We had a great time having you, and to answer the question: yeah, totally worth it.

    P.S. Definitely did learn our lesson about smaller wine glasses :)

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    1. I actually didn't know I was going to blog about the seder either, but when I saw this mitzvah on my little list I thought it would be a perfect place to start! I'm glad to hear that all the work is worth it (it was super delicious too!)

      And thanks so much again for the invitation, I had an absolutely amazing time! And thanks for your comment! :)

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  6. @Julie, Hey I think you aren't giving the seder credit. It isn't a simple retelling of a story. The hagaddah is a very sophisticated and multi-layered document. We delve not only into the Biblical narrative, complex in its own right on so many levels, but we also engage with the traditional Jewish exegesis that has arisen out of it. There are so many themes and commandments and ideals that the passover narrative and the haggadah touch on. It also poses some very nuanced theological issues which it doesn't directly answer but wants us to grapple with. Free choice, human suffering, Jewish identity, take your choice. Every single thing is so packed with symbollism! I am not exagerating when I say that dozens of commentaries have been written on the haggadah, and thousands of pages. My brother has an encyclopaedia of the Haggadah which is itself hundreds of pages.

    @Lauren
    We are so glad you had a good time. I was regretting not having smaller wine-glasses by the morning, believe me!

    Incidentally, the wording of the commandment to teach the exodus comes from a number of locations throughout the Bible, including the one you mention.(It corresponds with the son who doesn't know how to ask btw, there are 4 of these locations) That paragraph exodus 13:4 begins with the words, "Today in the month of spring" which is why the haggadah discusses the possibility that the obligation to discuss the exodus might begin on the new month, rather than passover proper.

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    1. @ Anonymous - I certainly can say your points are valid but I also think you have to consider that everyone comes from a different background when approaching religion. My background may be very different from yours, and thus, my experiences and opinions different. My hagggadah may be different and cover a different approach. One thing I really like about what Lauren is doing is opening up thought and discussion based on a common "theme" to those of us from a different viewpoint or background. I am not going to say your thoughts are wrong or incorrect, as clearly they are valid and your thoughts and everyone is entitled to their own, but I stand by my opinion on the sedar because it is based on my own personal experiences with both it, and my Jewish upbringing to it. As I said above, it is a story worth remembering and part of that is because of the reasons you mentioned.

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    2. Thanks so much for your comments! I think what's cool about the discussion you guys are having (that I'm interrupting) is how much variation there is in the Jewish community - you can even see it in the three of us. And I think that is so valuable in a cultural sense. I know that Jews aren't the only ethnic group that are extremely varied, but we just all come from such different backgrounds but, at the same time, kind of the same. I don't know if that makes any sense at all, but I definitely think that your comments show that there really is a great deal of variety in the Canadian Jewish community.

      So thanks again for both of your comments, I definitely loved reading them and I feel like I've learned a great deal from both of your experiences.

      Also, thanks for all the other info - I think it's pretty cool that the seder has so many different themes to it - it's kind of cool that you can almost pick and choose your focus almost (if you wanted to). Maybe that wouldn't be a good idea, but you could almost extra celebrate one aspect a year or something like that...

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